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Future of Social security

Last post 05-05-2008 8:33 AM by Bob Budding. 3 replies.
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  • 05-01-2008 10:06 AM

    Future of Social security

    Scott,

    I've almost finished reading 'The Coming Generational Storm . . .'  Scary, but interesting.  And the analysis is well supported.  But now I'm having trouble reconciling Paul Krugman's flip flop on the long-term viability of SS.  His position in 1996 was that there was a problem, and now he seems to think that all is well.  He has even tried to reassure folks by noting the large surpluses that were run in the past - don't worry, the SS trust has all of those government IOU's.  Is this simply his reaction to the proposed privitization of SS?  Preaching to the faithful?  I'd like to hear your views on this.

    http://query.nytimes.com/gst/fullpage.html?res=9403E4D6133EF933A15753C1A960958260

    http://www.nytimes.com/2007/11/16/opinion/16krugman.html?_r=1&n=Top/Opinion/Editorials%20and%20Op-Ed/Op-Ed/Columnists/Paul%20Krugman&oref=slogin

  • 05-01-2008 11:48 PM In reply to

    Re: Future of Social security

    I think the salient point in the second article is the quote from Peter Orszak:

     “The long-term fiscal condition of the United States has been largely misdiagnosed. Despite all the attention paid to demographic challenges, such as the coming retirement of the baby-boom generation, our country’s financial health will in fact be determined primarily by the growth rate of per capita health care costs.”

     I think Mr Burns has also pointed out in his book that the Medicare problem is on the order of 10x the size of the SS problem.

    Paul Gornick
  • 05-02-2008 12:04 PM In reply to

    Re: Future of Social security

               

                  If Paul Krugman's notion of accounting was workable, Enron would still be an operating company. The fundamental issue with Social Security and Medicare is that the unfunded liabilities are growing much faster than the economy or net worth of the country. Worse, this is not a passing problem. It's baked into our demographics for the next half century.

                 Social Security, however, is a relatively small part of the problem because its unfunded liabilities (the amount by which its promised payments exceed expected tax revenue) are about 1/8th of the unfunded liabilities of Medicare. As I pointed out in a column in late 2007, when Medicare Part D (the prescription drug plan) was passed its immediate unfunded liabilities, alone, exceeded the unfunded liabilities of Social Security. Here's a link to that column, with links to related sources:

                  http://assetbuilder.com/blogs/scott_burns/archive/2007/10/12/the-monster-that-ate-social-security.aspx

                 While the Social Security Commissioners annual letter routinely tells us that there will be a problem around 2042 when the Social Security trust fund runs out of assets, he is blithly assuming that the Trust fund will be able to redeem its collection of Treasury obligations at will. Here's the link to a 2006 column on what the financing of Social Security and Medicare looks like when you do a cash flow analysis that doesn't include the book entry interest on the trust fund:

    http://assetbuilder.com/blogs/scott_burns/archive/2006/05/16/When-Worlds-Collide.aspx

                You should note that these figures come from government estimates, not from a politically funded think tank or a single writer. Others are starting to take note, witness this recent column by Loeb Award winner Alan Sloan:

    http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2008/03/17/AR2008031702702.html

               Go to this table in the most recent Trustees report:

     http://www.ssa.gov/OACT/TR/TR07/VI_OASDHI_dollars.html#wp150920

    and scroll down to table VI F9 which combines the cost of OASDI (Social Security) with Medicare (HI) excluding interest on the trust funds and you'll find that costs exceed tax revenue in either 2015 using the intermediate cost estimate or 2011 using the high cost estimate. Either way, that's not too far away.

               In that year, the employment tax will no longer cover the cash expenses of the two programs. That's when Social Security and Medicare will start to compete with other government programs.

                If we still have a deficit, that means we'll be asking Europe, China, and Japan to provide the (borrowed) cash that will support our senior citizens. All three are aging more rapidly than we are here in the U.S. It's not a pretty picture.

              You should also know that estimates by the Trustees have tended to be optimistic. In 1983 the Greenspan Commission recommended changes that would put Social Security in balance for the next 75 years. The recommendations were put in place. Now, only 25 years later, the system has major unfunded liabilities again. Add his errors as Fed chairman and I don't think history will treat him very kindly, but that's another story.

    Scott

     

     
  • 05-05-2008 8:33 AM In reply to

    Re: Future of Social security

    Thank you for the links, Scott.

    I suppose that what I really find troubling is that Paul Krugman should know better.  He used to be a somewhat-serious academic.  But now he's acting more like a politician.  His don't worry, be happy attitude doesn't seem to be supported by any real analysis.

    Perhaps the best solution to the problem is emigration.  Now if I can just find a nice place for my kids to move to when they are a bit older . . .

    I realize the medical care promises that the government has made exceed the Social Security liabilities.  I was sloppy in not using the term 'entitlements' to represent the entire scope of the problem. 

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