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Last post 09-02-2008 2:57 PM by scottb. 4 replies.
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  • 08-30-2008 8:46 AM

    • sdavis
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    Starting to draw from IRA

     Dear Scott Burns,

    I'm sure you have addressed this in the past and I usually save alot of your articles from our local newspaper, but I need your advice. I've just turned 59 1/2 and I've just notified my local Merrill Lynch financial advisor that I want to start withdrawing from my account. My account is about 475k right now since the market is so bad. My husband says I should draw 5% annually. I said that 2% would be better and that I still wanted the  account to grow. He says I could turn around and put part of my withdrawal somewhere where if I made 2% it would be better because everytime I get my financial statement monthly the account has been going down. What would be the best withdrawal while the market is down?

    Thanks for your help

    S Davis

  • 08-31-2008 11:44 AM In reply to

    Re: withdrawing a lump sum from TRS(Teacher Retirement System of Texas)

    Scott, please help Texas teachers who have no spouse know what to do.  We can withdraw a certain lump sum payment from TRS which reduces our monthly pension.  This is the only way I can perhaps leave money to my grandchild and two sons.  I think I can live off the set amount I will get.  Should I do this and if so, when I roll it to Vanguard, where should I put it?  This is one of the biggest decisions of my life.  Help.

     

    GBeare@satx.rr.com

  • 09-01-2008 10:27 AM In reply to

    Re: withdrawing a lump sum from TRS(Teacher Retirement System of Texas)

    I know two people who have retired as teachers and withdrawn a lump-sum. One of them has been ok with that decison--the last time I talked with the other (which was several years ago now) she was not that happy.

    One friend retired about five years ago -- her husband had died in Jan. of that year--and the SS loophole provision for spousal portions was closing. She retired to work the loophole and maximize her SS widow's portion. She withdrew about 100K as a lump sum that she could invest and later in good conscience leave totally to her daugher vs other parts of her estate that probably in part will be split between her daughter and her step-children from her deceased husband's first marriage--which is how the will they wrote worked. She worked as a substitute more than half the teaching days the first couple of years after she retired. Plus, she had income from her husband's pension, her teacher's pension, and (a couple of year's after she retired) from her SS widow's pension--which comes sooner than her own full SS pension. That pension will be significantly reduced due to her teacher retirement annuity. 

    Another friend retired almost 7 years before--again a full retirement. She took a larger lump sum to invest because she wanted it as part of her residual estate and because she thought at the time she would not need the full amount of her teacher's annuity.  She worked the loop-hole provision so that when she was old enough to draw spousal SS she would draw the full amount without an off-set. She also was able to be rehired by her district and work in an admin capacity--although that income for a time was subject to reduction by TSTA--not sure about now.  She told me a couple of years after she retired that she regretted taking out the money and reducing her monthly check. Her husband's income had dried up, and she had not received the kind of return on the lump-sum investment as she throught she would.  Having the larger monthly teacher's pension would have been better--but that was hindsight--and by now she may have changed her mind again and be in better shape financially so that she does not regret taking the lump-sum.

    Don't know if you know or have considered that one of your options is to make one of your family the beneficiary on your annutity and guarantee a certain payout to that person if you die within a specific time span--even a life time payout. That length would significantly reduce the amount of your monthly annuity, but maybe a shorter time frame might be something to consider.  I found the people I talked with at TSTA about MY retirement were more helpful and knowledgeable than my district's personnel office who were no help at all. I received a good suggestion about buying an extra 3 years of work credit toward retirement which made a BIG increase in my monthly annuity.

    I would just say that you have to consider your future under a variety of what-if's, but once you make the decision you can't worry about what-might-have-beens...Enjoy your retirement. I certainly have.

     

  • 09-02-2008 2:50 PM In reply to

    Re: Starting to draw from IRA

    S.D.,

    Taking money out of an account and paying taxes on it isn't a good solution for an account that is declining in value. If the decline in the account is more than either of you can tolerate, then you should reallocate the investments IN the account. This could work to reduce your risk and reduce your losses.

    During the current market decline, it would be good policy to limit your withdrawals to the dividend and interest income produced each year by your account. That would eliminate the sale and liquidation of securities that have declined in value. It would mean that you'll still have securities that are likely to appreciate when the market finally recovers and starts climbing. That means your idea of taking out 2 percent a year is a better idea than your husband's notion of taking out more.

    Scott

  • 09-02-2008 2:57 PM In reply to

    Re: withdrawing a lump sum from TRS(Teacher Retirement System of Texas)

    Your motivation is noble, but I have another suggestion. Rather than think about leaving money to your grandchild and sons when you are dead, why don't you maximize your income today so you can do more with them while you are alive? A grandma who can pay her own bills and do things today is a lot more fun than a grandma who is strapped for spending money.

    Unless you are critically short of liquid savings of any kind, the best income deal for you is to remain in the TRS and get the highest monthly pension you can get. Remember, getting a lump sum only creates a new problem--- where to invest the money and how much you can withdraw from it today and tomorrow without running out of money.

    Scott

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